Mr. John Sherwin:

Just to say that when we are talking about co-creation, our focus here today is with Government. We have touched on co-creation with commercial organisations which seems very far away but also even in academia. We are not aware of that programme mentioned being developed in UCD. Across the board, we need to raise awareness that there is a role for representative organisations to play - whether it is in respect of the Government, academia or corporate - to present the lived experience that can really enlighten products and service development.