Naoise Ó Muirí (Dublin Bay North, Fine Gael)

Okay. To come back to the issue of heat pumps, this comes up again and again: heat pumps being the Nirvana transition solution for heating in the residential sector.

What Mr. Ryan seems to be saying is that a more pragmatic or interim stage may be required. This probably brings in affordability, in terms of making the transitional stage affordable to residential houses in the main. Is this correct? Is this what Mr. Ryan is saying?