James O'Connor (Cork East, Fianna Fail)

That is very interesting. I appreciate Mr. Hanley's input.

Also, Retail Excellence Ireland is a very interesting organisation and I would be familiar with its work. I want to get an idea of what pressure has been put on business owners by the increased costs in hiring employees into small businesses. We are joined today by Ms Aoife McBride, who has a small business in Killarney. As a TD who represents the people of Cork East in Dáil Éireann, including those who are involved in the high streets of towns and villages in the constituency, I have heard a lot about the enormous pressure they feel. From the organisation's point of view, how has that transpired? What has its engagement been like with the Department of enterprise in respect of the changes that have been made over the course of recent years? In particular, when Leo Varadkar was Minister in the Department of enterprise, there were significant changes made and the kickback from businesses on that was exceptionally strong. It feels there is a sense of rollback ongoing at present in relation to some of the commitments made at that time. I would love to get a bit of insight into that if that is okay with the witnesses.