Dr. Kris Shrishak:

On the first point, we first learned about this through the Dublin InQuirer which had spoken to various asylum seekers. We had asked the Department officials what processes it had put in place and how it procured the system. They told us that they used what is known as a pre-commercial initiative which involved the Department of public expenditure and reform and Enterprise Ireland, and it was not supposed to be deployed. We cross-checked with Enterprise Ireland and were clearly told that any output coming from that programme would need a separate procurement process. The Department of justice clearly told us none of that actually happened.