Joe Neville (Kildare North, Fine Gael)

Is that not the key here? If the State and the taxpayers are ultimately funding these hospitals, surely they should be brought under the umbrella for basic spending infrastructure. We are sitting here talking about duplicate payments and write-offs, and these are all fundamentals to all of us in the system. All I mean regarding these voluntary hospitals is that, in a context where the HSE has been able to engage with all its own hospitals, it surely does not seem to make any sense that some group would be opting out and feeling itself to be different.