Mr. Bernard Gloster:

Third-party insourcing became an individualised issue off the back of an unpublished-but-published 2022 CHI report. Very quickly off the back of that, there was some NTPF reporting on Beaumont Hospital. I was very clear that, notwithstanding any of the examinations, we were developing a level of dependency on third-party insourcing that was not going to be sustainable. It was also going to stop us reforming the health service because we could not get people to move to a five over seven working system if, at the weekend, they were working for private companies in our facilities where they were being paid very high premiums.