Mr. Pat Montague:

Let me give the Deputy two cases in point. I am aware, and I know Mr. Doran is aware, of an OMC in Dublin where a chair who used own units but no longer does was getting a daily stipend, had an office paid for and provided by the owners' management company and was running general meetings like a personal fiefdom. The meetings were online and if somebody tried to get in to contradict him or propose something, he would cut them off. I am aware of another case, also in Dublin but on the west side, where two directors were paying themselves - this is going back a number of years - €80,000 and €90,000, respectively, and they were also then awarding contracts to people who were close personal contacts. To be clear, the majority of OMCs, in my experience, are honourably run but the fact that the system is open to that, and we are talking about billions of euro going into it, means there is a risk from a public finances point of view.