Mr. Seamus McCarthy:

There are a number of public bodies where either conventionally there has never been a fee paid, or maybe during the recession board members ceased to be paid. There is a little bit of sporadic difference, but I think the figures that are quoted for the NTPF board members would be the more general thing. I think maybe in the health and the education sectors members of boards would tend not to be paid. They would be seen more as making a social contribution.