Mr. Tim Murnane:

It is probably all part of that same issue. We have a housing crisis and an infrastructure crisis, people need to be single-minded in determining how they are going to solve them rather than being worried about getting clobbered if they make a mistake. As consulting engineers, we have professional indemnity insurance. That is one of our big things with these bespoke contracts. We know we are going to get clobbered if we make a mistake. That is not the optimal environment in which to do optimal design.

That is why the philosophy around how our contracts are framed and procurement is done is too adversarial. One does not get optimal project outcomes in that environment, in my opinion.