Ms Kate Duggan:

They could be. That is when we do not have definitive ways to determine age. It is psychosocial by talking to them and looking at them. That is one of the most significant challenges facing our teams down there every day. They are having to make assessments in determining that someone is a child or an adult or looks like they are a child or an adult.

It is then to make sure that in applying the benefit, if we want no child in an IPAS centre, equally, we can have no adult in a children's centre. It is a very challenging-----