Oireachtas Joint and Select Committees

Thursday, 2 October 2025

Public Accounts Committee

Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency

2:00 am

Ms Kate Duggan:

When I say new obligation, it is more because in Ireland we are working within a limited property supply market and workforce supply market. It is not that we are vying to place one or the other, what we are saying is that when we wrote this plan we made two presumptions. The first presumption was based on the property market at the time. We need to have a large property to meet the standards, and workforce supply is another factor. What emerged during that period with separated children seeking international protection is that often providers, in particular within the private sector - or the community and voluntary sector - sought to move to provide accommodation to separated children seeking international protection because they deemed that was maybe easier to do. They certainly expressed more interest in it.

The second thing is that, obviously within the community and voluntary sector, they were unable to engage with us to scale their capacity because they wanted the issues in the WRC progressed and addressed before they engaged with us about scaling additional capacity. Thankfully, that has now been resolved.

The second thing is that the community and voluntary sector is struggling to get the capital investment it needs to be able to open and build units. To give an example of what we have done, we have a hybrid model with one of the community and voluntary providers where we have used a Tusla facility and the community and voluntary provider is staffing it. They are just two things that have limited our ability to produce 110 extra mainstream beds. We have put an extra 528 beds into the system, but they are for a new and different demand.

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