Catherine Ardagh (Dublin South Central, Fianna Fail)

I thank the Chair. I am going to return to legal costs. I have some questions on the plaintiffs. I know the witnesses cannot give us a lot of background on this but can they confirm if it is the same plaintiff in all four cases or different plaintiffs? It is different plaintiffs. Why are some claims settled by Tusla and others by the State Claims Agency? There is delegated sanction for under €50,000, but surely the agency will not know if that will apply until later on in the case, so at what stage does Tusla decide whether it will refer the matter to the State Claims Agency or keep it and resolve it itself?