Naoise Ó Muirí (Dublin Bay North, Fine Gael)

We need to keep to the time. We are going to do a second round. We are going to keep it tight to 90 seconds because we are under time pressure, and we have other witnesses coming in. Before I do that, I am going to ask both groups about the curve. We are looking to hear from them about the two items on their curve that they are banging their head off the wall about. What can we help with in terms of advocacy? It is the same for the Department. We are looking for two items because that is where we want to help. I ask the witnesses to bear that in mind because I will ask them about this at the end.

There is an interesting line in the Department's submission which states that "Not all mitigation technologies have production efficiency benefits and may represent a cost to farmers." To be fair to farmers, all along down through the years it has been a case of production, production, production. From a climate perspective, we have to be looking at moving away from that mindset into payments for environmental services. That model is the model in reality for the future.