Mr. Bernard Gloster:

I do not want to appear to dance on the head of a pin. I have been the first person to call out failings and challenges in any part of the health service, including CHI. Major governance failings in individual and thematic issues came out of CHI. That is distinct from saying CHI itself is a failure. They are two fundamentally different things. The same governance system is the one that oversaw a perfectly functioning, and I would say world-class, cardiology service for children, and oncology service as well.