Mr. Bernard Gloster:

The first thing to say is that if you take the current whole-time equivalent number of 4,670, there are 3,090 of those on the POCC. I have been working in the health service for a long time, right through the changes of the three contracts there. That by any measure of a change is enormous and I think most people would not have given us that in March 2023. The achievement of the public-only consultant contract will continue to progress towards 100% but it will be mainly more through replacement from retirement or new additional posts. There are a group of people on what we call the Buckley contract, which is the oldest contract, with around 200 of those left. They are not going to change.