Shay Brennan (Dublin Rathdown, Fianna Fail)

Clearly, Ms Ní Bhriain is coming at this from a pacifist perspective. I am coming at this from an EU financial instrument perspective. The countries availing of these loans - Poland and several others Ms Ní Bhriain mentioned - will, regardless of events, pacifist ideology or otherwise, invest in this weaponry, like it or not, as will many of the countries, particularly on Europe's eastern border. It is probably not fair to ask Ms Ní Bhriain this but, putting aside the legalities of it, because clearly that is problematic and something to be further expanded on, does the premise of the instrument make sense? Does it make sense to be as efficient as possible with the resources of EU nations? Ms Ní Bhriain made reference to investing in other parts of society. Clearly, if you are getting a certain part of your budget obligations cheaper, you therefore have more funds to invest in other parts of society. The instrument, outside of the legalities, to me anyway, appears to make financial sense. That is really what I am trying to elicit from Ms Ní Bhriain as to whether she also sees it making financial sense.