Ms Noeline Blackwell:

One thing this committee can recommend is that all actions by the State, all policies, be taken from a children's rights perspective and assessed for their impact on children's rights - the right to education, other important rights and the harms. Recommender systems are where the big companies have to be tackled. It cannot be done on our own. It requires putting in safe by design. The 5Rights Foundation in the UK has developed 11 principles for safe by design. They are really straightforward. It is possible, it is just not being done.

On what we should be doing as a country, there should be a wide public awareness campaign. Then we would know the level at which it is important in our lives - it is not going to go away - how we can use it better and where the harms are. That will help with the pressure. Even the AI advisory council has suggested this is necessary. I would put some of those children on the AI advisory council.