Joe O'Reilly (Fine Gael)

I welcome our guests. Despite the ginormous figures we deal with these days, the loss of €5 million of taxpayers’ money is very serious, as the witnesses accept, when there are so many socially reforming things it could achieve that would matter to people. The NTMA said in its opening statement that this was not an IT issue, so it was obviously a governance issue. Without going into names, did the person who made the error make it without reference to another person?