David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein)

I will add one final point to that. We also had very lengthy discussions in this committee on health spending. Through FOI requests and leaked information, we learned about meetings between officials from the Department of public expenditure, reform, digitalisation and officials from the Department of Health regarding the deficits that were in place for a number of years. The Minister might recall that. There were very sharp differences between that Department and the Department of Health. Later amendments will deal with the tracking of health spending. We routinely submit parliamentary questions on issues and are told that the HSE does not collect data or does not have the data. The more we digitise the health service, the more data we will get and the better we will be able to help everybody. A data-rich health service is one of the best ways to get productivity in the healthcare service.