David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein)

I understand that. We talked about safeguards earlier. I have questions about how we can protect people's data. People are particularly precious about giving out their PPSN. We have had data breaches in the past. In the HSE, we had a cyberattack. Even online, there are lots of scams designed as emails that people get asking to send on a PPSN because it is valuable to scammers. It is important those protections are in place. My fundamental point is that transparency is really important as we roll this out. Trust is really important. We have had a very poor culture of giving health information in the past. It is something we have to change. We have to change the public's attitude as well as systems within the HSE. We all have to be leaders in that space. We have had such resistance in the past, sometimes rationally and sometimes irrationally. If I am told there is an individual health identifier that is obviously important but that I cannot access or where there is no way of me finding out what it is, that could raise concerns or suspicions. If it can be integrated into the app or there were some mechanism to allow people could find it, that would be important.