Ms Fiona Brady:

Unfortunately, I would not be able to establish whether there were any perverse incentives. I know Mr. Gloster mentioned that yesterday in his internal review. There has to be trust between us and the public hospitals. We trust them to implement the initiatives we have agreed on with the agreed price and to follow our MOU. They, in turn, trust us to pay them for the work carried out. There has to be an element of trust. Unfortunately, I do not-----