Ms Fiona Brady:

Outsourcing is very different. When an initiative comes in from an acute hospital, the commissioning team reviews it and we make sure it is the patients who have been on the waiting list the longest who have been requested to be seen. We always check that our MOU was signed, and in relation to the process of our MOU, that this is going to be done outside of core activity and that they will pay the consultant and any ancillary staff that may be involved in the initiative overtime rates as per MOU. We then agree in principle. We only pay-----