Brian Brennan (Wicklow-Wexford, Fine Gael)

I agree. My concern, however, is that the members of senior management who were in charge while this was going on are still there.

They might not be in the same positions but they are still in the Arts Council. That is my concern. To finish off that point, I hugely welcome the Minister's quick intervention in bringing in Professor Brennan and Ms O'Hara and getting those investigations in place, but my opinion is that there needs to be a total root-and-branch sorting out of the Arts Council. We cannot say, "There was €5.3 million missing, so let us shake things up a little", and walk out of this room and walk away. I know that within the term of this Government the witnesses will be back in here again with another scenario.