Mr. Oisín Coghlan:

I am not sure if I have a perfect answer to the borrowing. It may be beyond the scope of the organisations we are speaking for today, particularly when the supply chain is a challenge too. You pay the higher price and the thing you need is not available. In terms of the actual outcomes, the good news is that the things we need to do for climate also address, in a positive way, other SDGs. You can see the positive reaction to solar energy generally, particularly solar energy on schools, which organisations around this table have pushed for and it is taking off. You see the positive reaction to the investment in Local Link over the years. The number of passengers on Local Link rural transport is stunning but it is still only a drop in the ocean of what is needed around the country.

There is a potential for doing win-win things like warmer homes with lower fuel bills and cleaner air if you get off fossil fuels, better public transport and easier cities to walk around, etc. There is a really positive vision there but it will take investment and leadership to get there.