David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein)

If I can finish, I am just making the point that there is a lot of expenditure in this area. Going back to my role in the previous health committee, we identified these areas over a long number of years as areas where we need to achieve savings and reduce expenditure. It seems to be going up and up rather than going down. I would like to see more focus on how we can achieve savings as opposed to the Minister coming in every year and saying that it is going up, because that is not the best use of our money.

I want to come to the insourcing and outsourcing, if I can, because it is important. There are a number of different sources of funding here to deal with waiting list initiatives. We need them because waiting lists are high. Nobody is saying that we do not need initiatives. We must have them to reduce the length of time people are waiting. There are a number of different sources. We have the NTPF, the access to care fund and hospitals themselves. How much is available within the health service for insourcing and outsourcing outside of what is allocated to the healthcare system? What is the total figure?