Jennifer Carroll MacNeill (Dún Laoghaire, Fine Gael)

It has to be seen in the context. We want agency spend to go down. It is difficult to do that and there should be more conversions to whole-time equivalents, WTEs. At the same time, it is also recognised, as the Deputy has recognised, that there are a number of agency staff for whom it suits to work in agency and it is hard to convert.