Mr. Bernard Gloster:

The Chair has called out the interminable challenge. When services are under pressure, they look to see what other services they can refer people to or that might help. The reality is that what we show the public is that we are simply saying, "It is not for us, it is for them, but we know when you go to them you will not get anything." That is really just a lack of integration. I am hoping that as the National Council for Special Education builds a therapy service in schools we will be able to bridge a much closer alliance between its services and ours.