Professor Ray Murphy:

I thank the members. I will reply to Senator Kyne. The scenario he has presented about Russia and Ukraine is very interesting because one actually cannot deploy a peacekeeping force without Russian consent. If one deploys a force without that consent, it is not peacekeeping. One is potentially sending people into a combat role. That really captures the dilemma. Does the Senator understand? That is why I oppose changing this triple lock. To get UN approval and a UN mandate, the Russians have to get on board but the Russians have to get on board for the deployment of any interposition force that is not going to have a combat role. We are not going to resolve this conflict in Ukraine without Ukraine and Russia finding some terms of resolution.