Dr. Karen Devine:

On that point, I am not conflating them. I totally appreciate and accept Deputy Smith's points and his argument. I see where he is coming from. In a way I am building on what Professor Ray Murphy is saying regarding what it says about Ireland if we abolish the triple lock which recognises the legitimacy of international law at the UN level. I agree with the Deputy that it should not be conflated. I am not conflating it but I am saying it has implications for everything in Ireland's foreign policy.