Dr. Karen Devine:

On sea cables, again I referred to this in my submission. The Department of Defence White Paper that was quoted by Professor Murphy earlier, which was published in 2015, actually says that sea cables and any kind of transnational terrorism are completely outside the remit of what it called military neutrality, so I just have to use the Government's own words on that. The sea cables argument is illogical and holds no merit.

The Deputy asked about the prohibition on nuclear weapons and the links to the triple lock. It comes through the fact that the reason the Government wants to abolish the triple lock is so that Ireland and the Irish Defence Forces can participate in NATO as a de facto member in military operations or through EU operations, which it regards itself as the European pillar of NATO. There is a lot of evidence on that.