Mr. Martin O'Sullivan:

Section 2.9 of our code of governance framework, which is published on our website, sets out clearly the conflict of interest procedures for the Arts Council. That covers council, staff, advisers. It is something we monitor extremely carefully. Essentially, 90% of our grants go through peer panels. A very small proportion of our grants go direct to council, albeit the bigger ones. I assure the Senator conflict of interest is very developed in the Arts Council.