Ms Maureen Kennelly:

That was before my time. There was an agreement that there would be a representative from the OGCIO on the stakeholder board. A preliminary meeting was held and then, unfortunately, that person did not attend meetings. I imagine it may well have had to do with Covid. Subsequently, the chief of the OGCIO gave some very helpful advice to me and Martin O'Sullivan about the recruitment of the senior CIO role, which, at that stage, had been sanctioned by the Department at PO level. It was subsequently wound back down to the lower level, unfortunately. He was very helpful to us in that regard. In December 2023, when it was absolutely clear that the wheels had utterly come off this project, I appealed to him directly, and he has been extraordinarily helpful. I have a number of regrets about the project, and one is that in summer 2022 we did not appeal to him directly at that stage.