Richard Bruton (Dublin Bay North, Fine Gael) | Oireachtas source

That is illustrative, but at the back of the submission, in one of the appendices, there is a heap of things, like 100% recycled paper and no fossil fuel boilers going in.

Do we get a snapshot? Is there an annual snapshot, a sort of name and shame, if obvious decisions are being made that fall outside what would be reasonable procurement rules? I find on this committee that we struggle to keep up with what is supposed to be our responsibility for monitoring what is going on because the data is very inaccessible at times, or hard to keep up with, so I just think it should be more systematic.

My other question is more directed at the SEAI. Mr. Walsh has said that there have been virtually no progress in the public sector since 2020, which is pretty depressing when we are saying that the public sector is trying to lead by example. What is the SEAI measuring in that regard? What benchmarks does it measure? Are there particular bodies that are offending and doing nothing, and others that are beacons of good practice? What is the sanction for those who are just sitting on their hands? D Where someone persistently fails to make any progress, does the SEAI send in technical support, say "Maybe we will bring in one of these energy-saving companies" and hold their hand?

There was reference to there being some obstacle to the use of energy-saving companies. Maybe the SEAI officials will elaborate on how we can crack that aspect. It seems like it would be a very easy win if we can get a few serious contractors to go into public bodies that probably do not have the time, with all their other commitments, to think about this.