I welcome our guests. I remind people of their privileges and that they cannot participate if they are outside of Leinster House, etc. Those giving evidence have to be physically present within the grounds of Leinster House and should not criticise or make charges against any person, or identify him or her by name or in such a way that makes him or her identifiable. I think we all understand that.

I propose that we publish the opening statements from our witnesses. Is that agreed? Agreed. I suggest that we invite our witnesses to speak for five or ten minutes and that we allow members to ask questions and make comments for approximately five minutes. Members may ask more questions after everybody gets an opportunity to speak.

The committee is looking at Travellers' experience of the justice system. Today we will focus on Travellers in prison. The committee has already visited Castlerea Prison, Mountjoy Female Prison - the Dóchas Centre - and Oberstown Children Detention Campus. Travellers represent less than 1% of the population yet we make up 8% of male prisoners, 16% of female prisoners and 21% of children detained. The committee looks forward to hearing from our witnesses about this very important subject. We would like to hear about the experience of Travellers dealing with the justice system, including prison, and how we can make things better.

We are grateful to our witnesses for coming here today. They include representatives of the Irish Penal Reform Trust, the Traveller Justice Initiative, the Traveller Mediation Service and Barnardos.

Our witnesses are all very welcome here today.

It is very important for us as a committee to examine the justice system and, most importantly, why there are so many Travellers in prison in this country and what supports we need for Travellers. I am sure we all know the answers but it is important we document those answers and that this committee has a responsibility to work with the Traveller community.

We will begin with one quote a young man said to me in 2020. It was his first time to be in court and he was very nervous. I said to him he will be okay and that everything will be fine. He said, "No Eileen, I am already guilty." I said no, he would not be and that was up to the judge. He said, "I am guilty on the basis of being a member of the Traveller community." I want us all to be mindful of that before we start.

I will open it up to our witnesses. I ask Ms Saoirse Brady to begin.

Brian Stanley (Laois-Offaly, Sinn Fein) | Oireachtas source

There is a lot of information and some follow-up on which the witnesses can come back to the committee. I hope some of the exchanges have been useful. I know it can be a bit robust and combative at times but that is the nature of it. We are talking about the people's money and we have to try to protect it. We get it in the ear if we do not do it. I wish Irish Water well with it. The suggestions made by the members have been made in genuine way and perhaps some of them can be taken on board. Communication makes the world go around and it can also stop the world from going around. I ask that that be taken on board.

I thank the witnesses. I thank the staff of Uisce Éireann and Mr. Munnelly from the Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage for the work in preparing for today's meeting and for attending. I also thank Mr. Seamus McCarthy, the Comptroller and Auditor General, and his staff for attending and assisting the committee today.

Is it agreed that the clerk will seek any follow-up information and carry out any agreed actions for the meeting? Agreed. Is it also agreed that we note and publish the opening statements and briefings for today's meeting? Agreed.

We will now suspend until 1.30 p.m. when we will resume in public session to address correspondence and other business of the committee. Go raibh míle maith agaibh.