I welcome our guests. I remind people of their privileges and that they cannot participate if they are outside of Leinster House, etc. Those giving evidence have to be physically present within the grounds of Leinster House and should not criticise or make charges against any person, or identify him or her by name or in such a way that makes him or her identifiable. I think we all understand that.

I propose that we publish the opening statements from our witnesses. Is that agreed? Agreed. I suggest that we invite our witnesses to speak for five or ten minutes and that we allow members to ask questions and make comments for approximately five minutes. Members may ask more questions after everybody gets an opportunity to speak.

The committee is looking at Travellers' experience of the justice system. Today we will focus on Travellers in prison. The committee has already visited Castlerea Prison, Mountjoy Female Prison - the Dóchas Centre - and Oberstown Children Detention Campus. Travellers represent less than 1% of the population yet we make up 8% of male prisoners, 16% of female prisoners and 21% of children detained. The committee looks forward to hearing from our witnesses about this very important subject. We would like to hear about the experience of Travellers dealing with the justice system, including prison, and how we can make things better.

We are grateful to our witnesses for coming here today. They include representatives of the Irish Penal Reform Trust, the Traveller Justice Initiative, the Traveller Mediation Service and Barnardos.

Our witnesses are all very welcome here today.

It is very important for us as a committee to examine the justice system and, most importantly, why there are so many Travellers in prison in this country and what supports we need for Travellers. I am sure we all know the answers but it is important we document those answers and that this committee has a responsibility to work with the Traveller community.

We will begin with one quote a young man said to me in 2020. It was his first time to be in court and he was very nervous. I said to him he will be okay and that everything will be fine. He said, "No Eileen, I am already guilty." I said no, he would not be and that was up to the judge. He said, "I am guilty on the basis of being a member of the Traveller community." I want us all to be mindful of that before we start.

I will open it up to our witnesses. I ask Ms Saoirse Brady to begin.

Verona Murphy (Wexford, Independent) | Oireachtas source

I suppose that is where the frustration of developers comes from because that level of inspection does take time. They probably do not give Uisce Éireann the requisite time that is needed and then delays ensue. We could all work better at that.

I want to speak about a comment made on the reality of understanding that what Uisce Éireann is looking for is seven years away. In 2019, a letter issued stating there would be an access point for the wastewater treatment plant in Authurstown and there would be an access pipe for Ramsgrange in 2019. That has been in being for the past six years. The school has been developing, as has the area. We are six years in and probably still three years away from a connection. I can see what the timeline is but there has to be a way to prioritise certain projects. It is very frustrating to know that I was not even elected in 2019 but I asked to ensure there was access, knowing the area I was living in. To be fair, it was issued from Irish Water to Wexford County Council and it is there on record. It goes back to 2019. The witnesses might take back that there has to be recognition. If something is mooted it has to be put onto a project plan. This is just to go back and join the dots with projects.