Mr. Des Carville:

It is a fact, but the other way of looking at it is something to which the Deputy referred. It is something we discussed at this committee and which was discussed by Ministers in the Dáil. NAMA had to start the process somewhere to get the ball rolling, as it were. If it sat back for the past 15 years and did not sell any assets, we would be having a very different conversation now around its outcome.