Darren O'Rourke (Meath East, Sinn Fein) | Oireachtas source

I will stick with that theme, and I raise it because it is relevant to the issue of the circular economy because of the issue of the profit motive versus sustainability and delivering on outcomes in terms of the circular economy.

On the lobbying done by the industry to maintain profits with the introduction of the deposit return scheme, do the witnesses see the contradiction in that from the perspective of service users and the public? The deposit return scheme has been introduced, people are levied on it and are using the scheme in good faith and in big numbers, but now they are being told the industry has said it needs guaranteed income due to forgoing a profit. That highlights a problem with this for-profit model that is not publicly controlled. Do the witnesses accept that point?