Mr. Bernard Gloster:

Sure. We can go through the numbers with the Senator. I will make two points. I often feel that administrative and support staff fall victim to the title "management and administration". I repeatedly remind people that when I recruit a grade IV clerical officer, for example, that person could be the medical secretary to a doctor or the person you meet at the emergency department reception at midnight, when a patient is booked in and so on. I wanted to make that general point. There is a notion that administration is about us all being back in the dark days with pencils, quills and paper. That is not the case. These people are very dynamic professionals who contribute to services. That is the first thing.

To answer the Senator's question directly, while the greatest percentage growth from 2019 to 2023 was in management and administration, equally, the greatest growth in numbers was in nursing and midwifery, which I welcome. The group that had the biggest reduction since the introduction of the moratorium, and three groups have reduced since Christmas, is that of management and administration. It is continuing to fall.