Mr. Kevin Bakhurst:

I am not going to talk about that. It would not be fair to talk about it. The Senator is trying to align the two things. All I will say is that the process we are going through has been through the exact proper process as outlined and recommended in the expert reports. We have taken legal advice. The matter has gone through the remuneration committee. It has gone through the board. We tried to arrive at a settlement but could not. The matter ended up in the WRC. We took legal advice throughout on it. As I think I said before, I personally do not like making payouts to people. However, the Senator will see from the new members of this team, and more new members are joining it, that there was an expectation I would change the senior team at RTÉ. I cannot deliver change to the organisation with the same team that was in place before. If you are to exit people from any organisation, as we have seen frequently recently in the newspapers across many organisations, public sector and commercial, there is no alternative. If you just try to get rid of them with the wrong process, you end up paying more in legal fees and costing the taxpayer more. I do not like paying out large sums of money but I have to live within Irish law in trying to change the organisation.