Lynn Ruane (Independent) | Oireachtas source

I thank our guests for the presentations. A committee like this can really create a big change domestically because it gives us an opportunity to consider what is done in other countries and obtain expert evidence from people who have been working not only domestically but also on an international scale. It is important for us to hear this evidence because we do not have the same history as the other countries. A body of research does not exist in Ireland, so we are very reliant on looking to other regions. My first set of questions is specifically for Ms Eastwood and Professor Stevens. My second round of questions will be much more targeted on the youth aspect. After the second round of questions, I may address Ms Lawlor.

My questions for both Ms Eastwood and Professor Stevens are similar. Professor Stevens referred to the questions we may have to explore. Regarding one of those questions, we are very lucky considering what the citizens' assembly recommended regarding types of drugs. It was very clear that it is not about the substance but about the person and that the conversation on decriminalisation should not veer off into determining what substances should be decriminalised. The moment we start talking about that, we isolate already very vulnerable communities. I am referring to drugs like crack cocaine and heroin, or drugs used in more concentrated ways in communities that are really vulnerable or that have experienced decades of deprivation. It is great that the citizens' assembly has recognised that these should not be left out of the loop in the conversation and that the focus of the conversation should be kept on the decriminalisation of all drugs.

On the question of whether there should be decriminalisation or, say, diversion, people sometimes believe diversion is the do-good option, that it gives somebody a chance to get well and that it is the option we should initially choose. However, once faced with the evidence and an understanding of the impact of both options, people come around to an understanding of why there is a really big difference between the two from a health perspective. This is also the case from a policing perspective because if something stays on the Statute Book, it will always be within the gift of the Garda and Judiciary as to whether they apply the law. It will always be at their discretion under a diversion model. Could both speakers speak a little about the evidence from a health perspective regarding why decriminalisation is preferable to diversion?