Mark Daly (Fianna Fail) | Oireachtas source

I thank the Deputy for giving of her vast levels of experience at all levels of government. I will call members of the committee. One of the issues that has come up is that people feel that the system is not working for them. It is not just an Irish problem. It is why people are supporting more extreme views as to who should run their countries. Whether in the hospitals, planning, people's circumstances of employment or transport, it is the job of governments to make systems work better but we are creating more red tape, more bureaucracy and the more complicated systems the members have outlined. Simple tasks like delivering housing now involve an over and back between Departments that costs more money and does not deliver.

Sometimes it is not about outcomes but about who is in charge. People are not concerned about the actual outcome, whether it be housing, planning, transport or health services. It is a concern for us all. I also thank Senator Cassells as rapporteur for the report. We will be sending everyone a copy and asking that they address this comprehensively in their manifestos, which will then be included in the programme for Government as a key part of reform of the way we deliver for our citizens.