Mr. Michael Sheahan:

Yes, as I said I think earlier in reply to the Chairperson, and just to focus on the welfare abuses, if the hidden cameras had not been in there, I would never have believed what was shown on them. I grew up on a farm and have been around animals all my life. I have been in and out of marts and meat factories all my career. I have never seen anyone do what we saw on that footage. I probably would have found it hard to believe if I had not seen it on the television programme. I would have found it hard to believe that somebody would do that.