Mr. Joseph Musgrave:

The short answer is that we have not had encouraging conversations with the Department of Social Protection. We have written twice to the Minister saying we would like to meet her or her officials, because we understand she is busy. Both times, they did not agree to meet. The Department's position seems to be twofold. First, in the context of CD-SWAG recommendation 8, it some of its remarks, it has mistakenly stated that this is eighth on the list of things to solve. That is not how CD-SWAG worked. It said there are a number of recommendations which need to be progressed. The Department is hiding behind that quite frankly. Second, being too conservative is the enemy of the good here. The Department is so worried about the systematic implications of doing this for certain segments that it is paralysing it from taking action at all. Rather than try it and see whether it leads to the sort of systematic implications we are worried about, it just is not doing anything at all.