Mr. Ciar?n Devane:

Because it is topical, if we take the consultant contract, that stands up very well against international comparisons., including our near neighbours. Our retention rate is good. If we ask - and we do - colleagues across the HSE if they are proud of where they work, the answer broadly is "Yes".

There are two things we need to do. One is to make sure we have a workforce strategy that asks what capacity we are going to need for the future and whether we know where we are going to get those people from. If we have a strategy that says we need 200 occupational therapists and we do not see that the country has the ability to generate 200 occupational therapists for those roles going forward, then that is a debate we need to have. That debate is broader than just contemplating the area of health.