Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail) | Oireachtas source

But there is a sense of it. Do not worry. It is being suggested. Maybe not here, but it is in the background and in the ether. We all live in the real world and that is there. Deputy Carthy did kind of suggest it just now.

What I am trying to say is that this is not about Exchequer resources. It is about cultural transformation of our Defence Forces as defined by the independent review group and the need for an external oversight body to give effect to that.