Dr. Alan Wall:

Before that, there was a year of action between us and the university on the KPMG recommendations. If the Chair remembers the summer of 2021, there was a lot of heat and light around KPMG; the committee could not see them and we could not see them. We engaged with the chancellor, the president and the chief commercial officer, as I think he was, or chief corporate officer, around establishing a way in which we could get assurances that the KPMG recommendations would be implemented, the chancellor, the president and the head of audit would move to a position where we could see them and we would know what they were, we could interact with them, we could get them implemented, we could see a policy, we could get an implementation plan for the policy, and then we would get sign-off from the chair of the audit committee, independent of both the university chancellor and the university president, that all of this had happened. There was a year of activity around that to get those assurances. For the HEA, the only anger in the room was that-----