Pádraig Mac Lochlainn (Donegal, Sinn Fein) | Oireachtas source

I am going to say it again. The other point is that we are facing the biggest redress scheme in the history of the State. When we throw in apartments and everything else, it is going to be multiple billions for the generation or generations to come. I ask Mr. Owens again if he does not find it astonishing that, essentially, we had to have an affected homeowner, who is a professor in climatology, reaching out to international peers and getting international assistance rather than this State ensuring that it was done and gripped by the State? In other words, we were fortunate that an affected homeowner came from the international academic fraternity. There was one engineer who I will name today, Ambrose McCloskey. To my recollection, he was the first engineer to express profound concern about IS 465. He felt that what he was seeing in terms of the deterioration of the buildings was not reflected in IS 465. He started to robustly challenge it, and then more engineers joined him. Then we had a community of engineers who expressed profound concern but even after all of that. it took people who had experience in North America and in Europe - outside the State. The point that Mr. Hayes makes is about going outside the State for testing, but it was not coming from the State, it was coming from affected homeowners. I would like to hear a comment on that from Mr. Owens. I will wrap up in a few minutes.