Oireachtas Joint and Select Committees

Wednesday, 10 April 2024

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach

Illegal Israeli Settlements Divestment Bill 2023: Discussion (Resumed)

Mr. Ronnie Downes:

I will come to that question directly but first I will just finish off the other question about labelling. We do have market surveillance authorities and we have consumer competition protection bodies that would be in a position to take action if we had any reason to believe there was anything illegal going on with regard to labelling or the misleading of consumers. I am sure they would take a risk-based approach to addressing that. As I have said, I am not aware of any information having come to light to show there is any breach there but I take the point the Deputy has made.

With regard to safeguards, the Deputy asked for a statistic about the proportions. The relevant section there will hopefully address that. We are putting together some statistics on that. I will come back to the Deputy, if not during the course of this session, with separate facts and figures on the question the Deputy raised.

On the question of so-called dual-use goods, which are exported on the basis and on the assurance they are for civilian use, and how we can be satisfied they are not redirected towards a military use, this is something we do take very seriously. When we assess applications for export licences our officials carry out a number of checks to make sure there is a specification of who the end user is, what the end purpose is and the end use, and that it is not going to be used for illicit purposes. In addition, in each case we consult with the Department of Foreign Affairs to make sure both Departments are operating on the most up-to-date information regarding the destination and place so we can take a risk-based approach. Everything is assessed thoroughly and uniformly. A number of criteria are looked at when we do that kind of risk-based assessment. We have not had any particular reason to suspect there is anything we need to be worried about. I refer back to Senator Higgins's earlier reference to a sevenfold increase in dual-use goods. We are the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment. When there is an increase in civilian goods to us that is a good thing that brings in revenue and supports jobs in Ireland but if it were to be an increase in military or military-linked goods that would not be something we would be happy with. That is why we pay so much attention to putting a risk-based assessment on each of these cases. Some of the criteria we look at in concert with our colleagues in the Department of Foreign Affairs are respect for human rights in the country of final destination; whether there is any internal conflict; whether sanctions are in place; and whether there is a diversion risk from one purpose to another. We would also be in a position-----

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