Mr. Ronnie Downes:

Yes. Within that category of dual-use goods, many different products and services are captured, including electronics. Any hardware or software that has hard encryption built into it technically comes under the category of dual-use goods. Before we decide on issuing a licence for the export of dual-use goods, there is a very rigorous assessment process in place. It is a case-by-case assessment process. We do not just wave any of them through. The officials in the Department in the trade regulation and investment screening, TRIS, unit carry out a series of checks to ensure, insofar as they can, that the item to be exported will be used by the stated end user for the stated end purpose and will not be used or diverted for any other purposes, and certainly not for-----