Catherine Murphy (Kildare North, Social Democrats) | Oireachtas source

I am aware Ms Duggan is not here to answer that. There are, however, silos here and the system is not working in the best interests of very vulnerable people who need care.

On the increase in whole-time equivalent staffing, Tusla was able to recruit people at administrative and managerial grades, whereas the number of social workers fell. That obviously means the caseload rose. The issue is not just pay but also working conditions such as the caseload, as we have heard before.